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ThePirateBay.org is back

by Volker Weber

ThePirateBay.org was taken down by a police raid three days ago. Now the site is back.

Russia is next on the list to gets its laws twisted by the US administration.

2006-06-03 :: email :: twitter :: facebook :: google+

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Man stelle sich das vor: deutsche Terrorismusbekämpfer oder Hollywoods Interessenvertreter fallen bei 1&1 oder Strato oder ... ein und nehmen jeden(!) Server mit, mit der Begründung "Wir haben alle kriminellen Sites, die bei diesem Provider gehostet werden, erwischt."

Olav Brinkmann, 2006-06-03 14:17

Das hatte ich eher deutschen Behörden als den eigentlich internet-erfahreneren Skandinaviern zugetraut. Wie blöd muss man für solch eine Aktion sein? Reicht da Druck aus Amerika, oder ist hier die Unfähigkeit, über den Tag hinauszudenken, der ausschlaggebende Faktor?

Ich wünsche den Verantwortlichen jedenfalls viel Spaß mit einer Klagewelle, die sie sich redlich verdient haben.

Frank Dröge, 2006-06-03 14:35

@Olaf
Mal ehrlich, in Deutschland ist es fast genauso, auch wenn ich es seinerzeit nicht glauben wollte.
Vor 2 Jahren wurden von mir 3 Server in Frankfurt im RZ beschlagnahmt, weil die im gleichen Rackbereich standen, wo ein Porno Internet Ring mit seinen Servern aktiv war.

Ergebnis: Die Server waren mehr als 6 Monate durch die Polizei/Staatsanwaltschaft beschlagnahmt mit Hinweis auf Pornographie (Jugendgefährdend), Installationsroutinen und Grafiken. Da es an Bearbeitungskapazitäten mangelte (nur 1 Mitarbeiter, der auch noch mehrere Wochen krank war, konnte den Fall und andere bearbeiten) hat es gedauert und gedauert und zwischendurch immer wieder Verdächtigungen (weil ja keiner was machen konnte, die Paßworteingabe scheiterte, weil CapsLock aktiv war und behauptet wurde, ich hätte das falsche Paßwort mitgeteilt) und am Ende gab es die Rechner ohne Entschuldigung sang- und klanglos zurück. Ach ja, die Rechnung vom Hoster lief weiter, weil ja nicht gekündigt wurde und er für die Aktion nichts konnte.

Einmal das Thema reicht.

Wolfgang

Wolfgang Andreas Bischof, 2006-06-04 00:52

Einmal das Thema reicht.

Wolfgang

Wolfgang Andreas Bischof, 2006-06-04 00:58

Die MPAA Press Release ist drollig:
…facilitating and enabling illegal swapping of millions of illegal copyrighted movies, music, software, and games.

Also: In anderen Worten wirft die MPAA den Piratebay-Leuten vor, dass auf den Filmen, der Musik und den Spielen ein illegales Copyright ruht.

Ich hätte auch gerne von dem, was die geraucht haben :)

Karsten W. Rohrbach, 2006-06-04 17:35

"Russia is next on the list to gets its laws twisted by the US administration."

A little American bashing here ??? Copyright laws apply to most of the western world. Not sure what is so wrong about the local law enforcement agencies enforcing those laws. I'm sure that if a company in Sweden was building fake BMW's or Hugo boss suits, and making those available Worldwide, Ms Merkel would consider asking her Swedish counterparts to enforce existing laws to protect the legitimate interest of BMW or Hugo Boss.

I really don't see anything outrageous here. Or maybe I'm missing something.

Joel Demay, 2006-06-05 14:09

@Joel,

In Sweden they have no law saying, that swapping, collecting or hosting or downloading .torrents is illegal. These files contain information, about the (in some cases, well in most cases illegal; but thats not the point) downloads.
Of course downloading or hosting illegal files is illegal in Sweden.

I alway thought the Swedish government is two or three steps forward, in their law system, compared to the rest of the world. Maybe they made one step back.

Dimitrios Seitz, 2006-06-05 14:25

@Dimitrios.

I'm sure Sweden is a democracy governed by the rule of Law. If the law enforcement decided to seize those servers, I'm sure they had some kind of a legal framework to operate.

We can argue that hosting the .torrent files is not illegal, but it's just being hypocritical. Massive violation of copyright laws is just plain wrong, and a site that builds a biz around that activity should not be able to continue doing so.

Joel Demay, 2006-06-05 14:59

Joel, I hear what you're saying. I think the "US-bashing" aspect is due to the fact that it would appear the raids took place because of pressure applied by US interests (MPAA, possibly the RIAA, software manufacturers, etc., etc.)

Copyright laws in Sweden, as they pertain to sites like thepiratebay.org, are very clear. So for a lot of people, it's hard to understand why the raids took place... unless there was pressure from elsewhere.

Ben Poole, 2006-06-05 14:59

@Ben.

I understand, however these pressures seem very normal. The US's economy has evolved towards a Knowledge economy (Music, Movies, TV, Software, Pharmaceuticals), all these industries can be the victims of piracy, and it seems only legitimate for the US to ask that other countries to enforce those copyright laws. My home country (France) for instance is doing the exact same thing to protect the legitimate interest of companies such as Cartier, Louis Vuitton, and Channel.

Also as a side note, it seems that the change in Swedish law that allowed the Swedish Police to raid those ISPs are due to EU harmonization. So no need to go blame the Evil Americans…..

More here: http://www.drmwatch.com/legal/article.php/3508086

Joel Demay, 2006-06-05 15:31

@Ben, @Joel,

Well, I don't know whether you've read the additional information supplied above. What makes me wonder is the way, how the raid was executed. Seizing the servers of completely unrelated business isn't exactly what I'd call sensible action. One might argue that this was collateral damage but then how would you like to get your servers confiscated just because they happen to sit in a rack where an allegedly illegal servers is sitting, too? Or, just to stick to the example from Joel:

It's not that someone actually built false products, they just gave away the info about where to find the products in question. So for your example just imagine to live in a house where there's someone giving away directions to shops where you could actually buy replicas of {you name it}. One day the police decides that this is illegal action and raides the house. While they're on it the decide to seize what they can get - including the documents, equipment, whatever over every inhabitant of the house. So, how would you like that? Would you like it more if you knew that the one who was to blame for the raid just opened shop two blocks down the street while your equipment is still confiscated and under inspection?

Cheers,

Stefan Rubner, 2006-06-05 15:57

@Stefan, I am not arguing with you. You're preaching to the choir ;o)

@Joel: like I say, I hear you. I maintain however that in this particular case, everyone concerned is on a very slippery slope!

Ben Poole, 2006-06-05 18:07

Joel, the DCMA for instance does only apply to the US, as some lawyers found out. Nothing that can't be changed by some arm twisting though.

Volker Weber, 2006-06-05 19:04

Vielleicht ganz Interresant: DoS Attacke auf schwedische Regierungsserver

Dimitrios Seitz, 2006-06-06 11:51

Vielleicht auch interessant: Die Piratenbuchtserver stehen nun offenbar in den Niederlanden.

Joerg-Olaf Schaefers, 2006-06-06 21:49