Firefox out, Camino in

by Volker Weber


Yesterday I reported that I was going to replace Safari with Firefox. That did not work very well. While I enjoy Firefox on the PC, the Mac version crashed on me three times in one day. That is not tolerable. Stefan Tilkov suggested that I should try Camino, yet another Mozilla project.

I am going to give Camino a test run for a few days. If it works better than Firefox I am going to stick with it. If it does not, then it is time to find the root cause for the Safari performance problem. I currenty suspect an issue with the favicon cache. Note the missing icon in Safari.

Update: I found the root cause for the Safari slowdown. I had an excessively large favicon cache. Deleting the folder Library/Safari/Icons solved the issue.

I am not sure how to procede from here. Firefox is not an option as my main browser because of the current instability. I just don't like Camino's appearance. The most likely course will be to stay with Safari now that the issue has been resolved and to keep Firefox as the backup browser for pages that don't work in Safari.


Your Safari must be really broken, as the favicon is visible here (still using Safari, and the shortcuts for Firefox you've suggested don't work for me :-( ).

Moritz Petersen, 2004-10-03

Deleted the ~/Library/Safari/ now and the favicon is back.

Volker Weber, 2004-10-03

Wish you better luck than I had with Camino. Whereas FireFox crashes just once in a while, Camino at least for me crashes after just some minutes of usage.

Stefan Rubner, 2004-10-03

Deleting the cache made a huge difference in performance!

Volker Weber, 2004-10-03


As last resort: Have you tried resetting your Safari? (Safari/Reset Safari)


Deleting the cache made a huge difference in performance!

Do you mean Safari or Firefox or Camino? Funny: I always thought, "cache" was invented to make the program run faster, not slower. ;-)

Moritz Petersen, 2004-10-03

Have not had a crash so far. But I simply don't like its interface. The bookmarks bar looks very crowded and the centered tabs also do not appeal to me.

Volker Weber, 2004-10-03

Moritz, I meant the Safari favicon cache.

I suspect that this cache is not favorable for Safari's performance. Mine had a size of 15 megabytes and it probably held thousands of icons. (I did not care to count them.) Favicons are small files and can be rapidly downloaded from the visited site. But it takes a while to match it against the local file system.

Volker Weber, 2004-10-03

The first thing I do when setting up a new browser is to limit the cache size to 8 MB. This is enough to cache pictures on the sites I vistit daily, and more is not needed with DSL/Cable.

Sascha, 2004-10-03

Crowded bookmarks bar: I agree, that´s why I type 5 empty spaces at the end of the name of each bookmark / bookmark folder (in the b. bar). This makes it look much less crowded!

Centered tabs: are you using the last official release? Don´t, download the latest nightlies instead. Much nicer tabs and they´re not centered.

Alex, 2004-10-03

Das scheint sich mit meinen Firefox-Erfahrungen zu decken:

Horst, 2004-10-04

Also was die Crashes von Firefox angeht kann ich nur bestätigen das zumindest die letzte Version (0.1) absolut das instabilste Programm ist, dass mir je untergekommen ist (nicht mal Windows 95 stürzt so oft ab:-). Würde dir wie Alex empfehlen eine der neuesten NightlyBuilds von Camino zu installieren da die Tabs da wesentlich besser implementiert sind und auch deutlich besser aussehen. Und vielleicht ein Tipp wenn dich lästige Werbung stört: CaminoExtra Prefs ( runterzuladen. Mit dem Tool kann man den AdBlocker aktivieren (damit surft es sich wesentlich angenehmer).

Rene Schwaiger, 2004-10-04

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