Apple stock is doing amazingly well

by Volker Weber


Two years ago we got an iMac. For the sake of argument let's assume it was 2500 EUR. If we had invested another 2500 EUR into Apple stock at the same time, we could now sell it for 7500 EUR. Which would pay for the 5000 initial investment and leave us with another 2500 EUR to get a new machine. An equivalent machine today is less than 1600 EUR, so we actually would have gained two free 17" iMacs, and 900 EUR interest for the 5000 EUR we initially invested. That is 18% over two years. Not too bad, even without the free iMacs.

Alas, we didn't. But now we do.


I did - but without buying the mac. :-)

Thomas, 2004-10-15

Typical AFP (apple fan prose). If you had bought the Mac (and the stock) somewhen in 2000 and sold it in 2003 or 2004 you would have lost more than 60% of the investment - and be stuck with a totally outdated PC. What's the argument?

Markus Breuer, 2004-10-15

There is no argument. And we are not in short supply of outdated PCs.

Volker Weber, 2004-10-15

interesting discussion technique. could (should?) probably learn a lot from you. not only how to be cool but also how to get an airport express running. envy you.

Markus Breuer, 2004-10-17

Man: Hello, I'd like to buy an argument, please.
Receptionist: Certainly, sir. Have you been here before?
Man: No, I haven't.
Receptionist: I see, Do you want to have a full argument or were you thinking of taking a course?
Man: Well, what would be the cost?
Receptionist: Well, it costs 1P for a 5 minute argument or almost 8P for a course of ten.
Man: Hmmm, Well I think it's probably best if I start with the one and see how it goes from there, o.k.?
Receptionist: Fine, I'll see who's free at the moment. Mr. Debakey's free, but he's a little bit concilliatory. Yes, well, try Mr. Barnard, Room 12.
Man: Thank you.

He enters room 12.

Volker Weber, 2004-10-17

my last comment was meant serious (as serious as a can get). thanks for the additional lecture - honestly. enlightening.

do you have some advice on the airport express issue too? driving me nuts. maybe explains my bad temper ...

this damned thing is unwilling to connect to my airport extreme base station any other way than with an ethernet cable (not really what a bought this expensive piece of plastic for). every other option (WDS or the simple "join an existing network") simply gives me the friendly yellow flashlight after the restart. i have even switched off any kind of encryption to reduce the number of possible snafus in that regard. no succes either ... I once thought this another example of apples extremely succesful "packaging technology in a way everyone can handle" approach. but - especially after checking the discussion boards - i think, that this is not the case.

Sadly, all the discussions forums, blogs, FAQs etc. I have checked so far give me only marketing bullshit (how easy this wonderful piece of apple engineering is) or are in terse techspeak, obviously omitting some (obviously "obvious" and therefore not neccessary) details, which a humble user like me simply doesn't know.

any hint/link to a more "dumb-user-compatible" explanation?

and ... yes, I have to admit that I am primarily using a XP-machine. but ... using my old apple cube does no good either.

Markus Breuer, 2004-10-17

Looks like you are surrounded by idiots. An interesting attitude. :-) Did you read this?

Volker Weber, 2004-10-17

vowe, puleeeze ...
do not always try to find irony where there's only desperation ...

i did read it.

and it looks not like i am surrounded by idiots but by intelligent people which have no idea how to talk to an idiot.

Markus Breuer, 2004-10-17

This is an extremely complex piece of equipment. One of the reasons it is so complex is that it serves as a router, an access point, a print server, a bridge or a client (relaying music). You are right: This is not the usual Apple plug and play thing. You need to know what you are doing and a flashing yellow light is not enough information for me to tell you what you need to do.

I suggest you download the updated software, reset to factory defaults, and then follow Apple's instructions in every single detail but the IP-adresses they tell you to use. Those you need to configure according to your own network. The simple instruction that most people fail to comply with is that you need to plug in AND power up the peripherals you want to drive with the Airport Extreme BEFORE plugging it into the power outlet.

If you can't get it to run in two hours put it on eBay and use wires. They are much easier to configure.

Volker Weber, 2004-10-17

Markus - after you've run through the setup, try to connect to your Express directly and see what IP address it has received - we had one whose IP was constantly being set to one in a completely different IP range (using the Airport Express assistant) ...

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