This is not an iPhone user experience

by Volker Weber


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Somebody show them iUi (Sample)

Ole Saalmann, 2009-01-14

What does it look like on the device itself? The screenshot looks like it is from one of those crappy desktop simulators (the scrollbars are a dead giveaway). The official Aspen emulator from the iPhone SDK is the only desktop based iPhone test environment that will really observe the viewport meta tags correctly.

Jeff Gilfelt, 2009-01-14

Exactly like the screenshot. And the viewport is the smallest of the problems here.

Volker Weber, 2009-01-14

No it's not a proper iPhone experience, Volker. But nobody said it was - as Rob says on his own blog:
"Now, don't get us wrong. This isn't exactly a finished piece of art. This is a little something that we (well, mostly Jason, but I was incredibly effective offering encouragement ! ) cobbled together for purposes of our session, but it made sense to share it with all of you. "

So a proof-of-concept/demo of what can be done to make a Notes app available on a mobile browser such as the iPhone. To that end, it does what it says on the tin...

Stuart McIntyre, 2009-01-14

No it doesn't look good on your real iPhone.

I used iPhoney to check the ui and wrote a little blog piece about it here:

A little fun with J(a)SON

You can see the UI renders better in that emulator.

In fairness it's more about getting data out of Notes using Asynchronous Javascript and in this case JSON. There are also some ideas about graceful degradation in there too.


Jason Hook, 2009-01-14

Maybe Ole has pointed in the right direction.

Volker Weber, 2009-01-14

Just honored that you'd even notice ...

Rob Wunderlich, 2009-01-14

... I would understand this post - get behind it in fact - if it offered *anything* constructive outside of a snipe from the cheap seats and a throwaway link to the iPhone Dev Center.

If I had the brass ones to knock someone's work - and work that was just a simple example of what *could* be accomplished with the subject discussed - ...well, I wouldn't do that, so the comparison to what I'd do in this situation kinda falls flat.

It's your blog, dude - run it how you want to... I just think you sometimes totally miss the point of this community - Lotus, IBM, or otherwise.

Chris Toohey, 2009-01-14

Chris, second time you write this. Maybe, just maybe, you miss my point. Ask Ben P. He gets it.

The posting is not directed at any person. It is a statement: "this is not an iPhone UI". Don't pretend it is one, because it isn't. There is no statement that knocks up somebody's work. It just comments on the result. Oh, and by the way, this is not a pipe.

Of course there is a history to this posting. Ask Stuart about it. Or find it in his Twitter stream.

Volker Weber, 2009-01-14

Not totally sure, but maybe Volker is getting at is that it would be cool if Domino automagically recognized the device reading the view was a an iPhone and formatted the results accordingly with the sliding effect to take it into the document etc? Not directly said, but I think that is his implication.

We have to remember Volker is German and they are smarter than the rest of us, so we sometimes have to search a little more for the answer :-)

Carl Tyler, 2009-01-14

Carl, i see your tongue in cheek. Regardless, we are not smarter.

Volker Weber, 2009-01-15


I absolutely *know* you missed my point. Missed, or ignored.

You're a smart guy, and someone that could use their individual influence in this community for good. And I don't mean to be a product or vendor fanboy, but rather be a people and community fanboy.

Instead, we get a "Monday-morning Quaterback" post from an individual who's never publicly picked up the pigskin. Poor form, sir.

Chris Toohey, 2009-01-15

“Never publicly picked up the pigskin?”

Nonsense. Can we move on?

Ben Poole, 2009-01-15

Not before you tell me what a pigskin is. Is it dirty?

Volker Weber, 2009-01-15

Dirty? Nah, it's an American football reference. Monday-morning quarterbacking is when people who didn't play in the game complain about the way the players performed. The pigskin is the football. Chris is saying that criticism about web/Domino/iPhone development from someone who hasn't done that particular task is in poor form. You've never publicly played American football, so you shouldn't complain about those who do.

Note: That was not me expressing my opinion, just explaining American slang terms. IM(NotEvenRemotely)HO, the comment about the UI was fair, accurate, and relevant. It's not an iPhone UI. Simple fact. It's not necessarily a BAD UI (haven't tried it, can't say), but it doesn't meet iPhone standards.

Rob McDonagh, 2009-01-15

Thanks, Rob. And I am pretty confident I have done my share of UI work.

Volker Weber, 2009-01-15

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