The Other Notes

by Volker Weber

It's almost funny. IBM was caught by surprise. Apple released a new operating system. Who would have thought. Anyway, there are some issues.


That's actually not correct. It's being discussed and worked on since the first Betas. My understanding is that Apple's reaction to move Notes was a reaction to IBM's request to solve that on the OS side as a) IBM was there first, b) there is a IBM Notes trademark or something and c) it's generally the OS responsibility to work with the application names and troubles coming from that. In the first developer releases it just replaces Notes or so (don't remember).

Martin Hiegl, 2012-07-27

Good, so Apple did something. What did IBM do? Make a new installer and sign it?

Volker Weber, 2012-07-27

I call BS. If IBM has been working for months on this, the best they can do is have a technote?

Also if Apple released a product called WebSphere, do we not think IBM would protect it?

More evidence IMHO of how much IBM cares about the future of Notes.

Carl Tyler, 2012-07-27

if Apple released a product called WebSphere

I'd sell some Apple stock.

Volker Weber, 2012-07-27

Come on Carl, you know the people personally who have been working on this. And yes, as I said on my blog, we have been working this with Apple since March. There are issues. Our installer is older since the Notes 8 codestream is older. We don't conform to some newer things Apple does. Apple worked hard to work with us and the compromise was to have them move our app to the new folder. It's not a bad solution.

All of thesse issues are just a problem for install/uninstall of the Notes client for now, the client works and works fine.

Ed Brill, 2012-07-27

The installer issues in the technote look like a developer could fix them on Tuesday afternoon. Makes you wonder about the layers of management and conference calls around that.

The ancient Carbon code is a different problem though. The APIs have been deprecated years ago in 10.5, three operating system levels down.

Volker Weber, 2012-07-27

I can only imagine the discussion between IBM and Apple goes like this, where IBM is the Americans, and Apple the Canadians.

Volker Weber, 2012-07-27

Hm. I guess Apple didn't think to include Lotus Notes in it's list of things they should test. They probably assumed from the volume of marketing media that the product had been retired some time ago. One can't help understanding how Apple could feel that way.

Andrew Pollack, 2012-07-27

And again us grunts in the front line have got to go to work on Monday to tell the senior guys with Macs just how much IBM love Notes and why they cant upgrade to their new shiny Mac O/S because of that love.


---* Bill

Bill Buchan, 2012-07-27

@Volker: 90% coordination overhead, while the developer is the only head and all others above the parting.

Bodo Menke, 2012-07-27

@Bill: Upgrading to 10.8 should be fine, see the tech doc Volker linked in his post:
"If Lotus Notes is previously installed on OS X 10.7x (or earlier), then the OS X 10.8 install will create a folder and move Lotus Notes to /Applications/Lotus Notes/Notes."

So Monday ain't half bad :)

Tobias Hauser, 2012-07-28

@Tobias, I'm not disputing it *could* be done. But its not supported. And again we've to explain to our upper management mac-loving execs why Notes appears to be the one application they're always waiting on.

Stick 45,000 users on a 200-country notes infrastructure in the middle of a huge migration to 8.x, and you'll see why we're so focused on the 'supported' word.

---* Bill

Bill Buchan, 2012-07-28

Installed , configured , Open up Lotus Notes folder , moved it to appbar , it works just like Rob said , Rob Novak has reported, Notes Social Edition in beta

Palmi lord, 2012-07-28

Works with Retina.

Otto Foerg, 2012-07-29


Rob figure that out in what a couple of hours, yet that same useful information couldn't make it into a technote after a few months of IBM working with Apple.

Carl Tyler, 2012-07-29

I do not care about installation but Lotus Notes 8.5.4 is the only App which does not support Dictation.It works very well with Apple Mail, Outlook and all other apps. :-(

Quote from the Website:
>Works with any app
>Dictation works with text fields in any OS X app — no additional third-party developer >support is required.

Lotus is special

Olaf Boerner, 2012-07-29

IBM has Notes trademarked...

So they need to enforce it, or come to an agreement with Apple over its use (maybe that is what happened).

BTW. So far Notes (the IBM kind) works fine on Mountain Lion.

Adam Osborne, 2012-07-30

Sorry my link above is broken.

See all IBM Trademarks here link

Appears that Domino is also trademarked, so people should not be using it in product names as well.

Adam Osborne, 2012-07-30

The OSX application "Notes" is for taking notes.
As much as you can't protect "Apple" for the fruits I have my doubts that a trademark infringement for the word "Notes" would be successful.
I assume IBM Lotus Notes on Mountain Lion basically works as good or as bad as on every other OSX release. "Fine" is not what comes to my mind when I think of (IBM) Notes on the Mac.

Henning Heinz, 2012-07-30

You are not a lawyer. But you can read a trademark:

Word Mark: NOTES
Goods and Services: IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: computer programs for use in personal information management, data processing applications, text processing applications, networking and electronic mail and instructional manuals sold as a unit.

Why don't you just go back to what the real issues are?

Volker Weber, 2012-07-30

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