My kind of Windows

by Volker Weber


From the Windows 10 S FAQ :

It’s also a great choice for any Windows customer looking for consistent performance and advanced security. By limiting apps to those in the Windows Store, Windows 10 S is ideal for people who have everything they need in the Windows Store and prefer the peace of mind that comes with removing the risk of downloading apps from other places.

This is what I want. Windows as easy as iOS, without all the old junk that has accumulated over the years, but as powerful as Windows 10. I did not get it with Windows RT, I may not get it with Windows 10 S. But this is the future.


Why won't you get it with S? All your articles about RT said to me, S would be perfect. What am i missing?
Oder anders gefragt, was ist falsch an S?

Kai Schmalenbach, 2017-05-03 12:59

Gar nichts ist falsch. Aber die Software-Hersteller pennen noch.

Volker Weber, 2017-05-03 13:00

Ok, das ist also letztlich exakt das MS-System dass du eigentlich willst? :-)

Kai Schmalenbach, 2017-05-03 14:09

I don't get it either. Why is downloading software from legitimate sources, such as the developing company's own website, more risky? Why should I or the developer agree to paying a 30% "insurance premium" as commission to MSFT for a risk that is negligible? It would mean higher prices for me or lower returns (and less room to invest into the improvement of the product) for the developer. Why should people that for reasons that at least I cannot subscribe to get their software from the sink of the internet or root their devices be attracted by a platform store? And, no, I am not talking about apps like Nextgen reader but about software that represents significant investment while not being in the business of high volume sales. And, yes, I understand that S is not Pro, but how would this look like in a few years when you pro only with a volume licensing agreement and renting it on a monthly basis.

Peter Daum, 2017-05-03 14:10

HI @Peter. Speaking as a Mac user, I specifically go to the App store as my first point of call. In fact, if a product is not on the app store, there is a good chance I will not buy it. Understand your position, but as a user I like the insurance premium.

Paul Mooney, 2017-05-03 14:37

Paul, I am also a Mac user and have bought from the App Store. Now, as regards your preferences, is this dependent on their price point of the product? I.e., would you be more inclined to pursue your App Store only policy for a USD 5 product than for a USD 50 or 500 product?

Peter Daum, 2017-05-03 14:57

I think this is the strategy from MS to strengthen the MS appstore again and it may also be the first step for the surface phone strategy - more apps in MS appstore.

Reinhard Fellner, 2017-05-03 15:16

Two reasons, Peter:

- I do not want to deal with more than one update mechanism.
- I want the system to protect me from unmanaged code.

Volker Weber, 2017-05-03 15:30

"protect me from unmanaged code."

This is a two-edged sword:
"let me run 'safe' code vetted by my large, friendly vendor"
"ONLY let me run code my large, profit-seeking vendor wants me to"

Craig Wiseman, 2017-05-03 16:01

Peter i would advise every windows owner without experience to take the S-Version, simply because of being sick, helping them out, every time, they got theirselves into trouble with downloading and/or installing crap-/malware.
I would see the S-Version as a relief for every child, "knowing computers"
And for a little developer i think your Software being found is more likely with it in a store and you don't need an update-mechnism any more.
And my private Reason for that System is, UWP-Software is becoming more likely, delivering some things to my XBOX One in the future. For instance, Kodi is working on this and that would be a big win for me.

Kai Schmalenbach, 2017-05-03 16:04

this will play out interesting in the non-enterprise market. While the Windows store is growing for UWP apps and other stuff, it's fully behind other digital platforms for games and entertainment. Steam isn't in either the Windows or Mac stores, and one of the number one downloaded apps out there. iTunes for Windows isn't in the store. Either is Office (the full version). and a huge part of MS' catalog is not - skype for biz, teams, etc. Will be interesting to see how this forces app vendor's decisions.

John Head, 2017-05-03 16:18

I think it really depends on what software we are looking at. If this is about software for a few bucks, I love the App Store concept as I do not need to arrange for payment of small amounts (and have my credit card details proliferating), have somebody who vets the vendor, have the automatic update, etc. However, these kind of apps either are more in the consumption sphere, or are giveaways of a larger platform, perhaps with a subscription.

If we look at software that represents some investment, there needs to be a support and sales organization, and an ongoing commitment of the creator to evolve the product which I entrust my Intellectual Property to. And I need to be able to control the update process (not that I want to), as mission-critical work is involved. So, I need to trust the creator beyond delivering me a malware-free binary. And given the sums involved, I really do not see how I or the creator would pay a commission as large as 30% just for delivering the binary. Of course some agree to everything if it only provides more "security", but this is a issue of society that goes beyond Windows. :-)

Finally, for instance for my students, Windows S would not work. Software packages like R, STATA, MATLAB are incompatible with app stores as they require supplementing the basis software with various add-on packages, small, but binary (because compiled), even if the licensing process could perhaps be managed. At this point I could not recommend, nor would I buy "S" for anything beyond tablet-like use cases.

Finally, I see that S does not only requires Edge as default, but tries to force you to use Bing. Nothing against Bing, but in my use case Bing consistently delivers much worse performance than Google - so Craig is right. Still on board?

In the end, I do not know what the solution is. But a completely walled garden is not.

Peter Daum, 2017-05-03 19:16

Seems to work for iOS.

Msft is fighting against ChromeOS. Which isn't suited for your profile as well. The market is called K12 education. That is kindergarden through high school, not college or university.

Volker Weber, 2017-05-03 20:02

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