A criminal enterprise

by Volker Weber

Gruber:

Paraphrasing, Hill’s back and forth with Facebook over these practices went like this:

Hill: Facebook, are you doing this terrible thing?

Facebook: No, we don’t do that.

Hill, months later: Here’s academic research that shows you do this terrible thing.

Facebook: Yes, of course we do that.

At this point I consider Facebook a criminal enterprise. Maybe not legally, but morally. How in the above scenario is Facebook not stealing Ben’s privacy?

Exactly. And that is why I don't do business with them. Not on Facebook, not on Instagram, not in WhatsApp. You cannot know this and continue because it is oh so convenient.

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The last episode of John Oliver „Last Week Tonight“ is also targeting Facebook.
=> https://youtu.be/OjPYmEZxACM

Funny, but shocking too.

Andy Brunner, 2018-09-27

Try that arguing in a Kindergarten or Elementary School parents WhatsApp Group.

We do know. But most don't either know, nor care. I could move most of my conversations to Signal and I keep trying. But then it stops.

Hubert Stettner, 2018-09-27

Andy, it is going to take a while until it sinks in.

Volker Weber, 2018-09-27

Hubert, if they can receive a WhatsApp message, they can receive an SMS.

Volker Weber, 2018-09-27

Volker, me and the kids would be out of the loop, not them. I keep pushing, but reality is not that easy, unfortunately.

Hubert Stettner, 2018-09-27

You will have to convince the leader, if you are not it.

Volker Weber, 2018-09-27

You are right Volker. When I read this though, I wonder when the last time was, you had a discussion with kindergarden parents... :)

Theory meets reality. We don’t have WhatsApp for various reasons, one of them being the above mentioned.

Johannes Matzke, 2018-09-28

Are they any worse than IT people or managers who want to have cheap, fast and good?

Volker Weber, 2018-09-28

Nailed it with the cheap fast good, Volker!

Lars Berntrop-Bos, 2018-09-28

@Volker: Yes, they are worse in some ways:
- you have 20 or so of them crowded together, so group dynamics are more of an issue (on average; business meetings with 20 people don't get anything done anyway)
- broader spectrum of emotional affectedness
- on average, logic is even less a factor, but feelings are ("Yes, but my feeling is that ")
However, you are right that the difference is not sooo big.

Matthias Lipp, 2018-09-28

My simple solution: No, I don't have Wazzap. Be prepared that people will not contact you as you don't use the "right" messenger. Best explanation: Email is sooo complicated...
You need titanium steel balls to not install for whatever reason.

Opposing vowe: It will not sink in with the masses. They neither understand nor care. Never.
The same with security and updates. Unless a direct friend gets stolen a 4 digit amount of € through a security hole, no soul cares. They would not even understand, that an up to date SW would have prevented the theft - they consider themselves as "unlucky", but not "guilty".

Jörg Hermann, 2018-09-28

Well, on the emotional level you can trigger these people with Glyphosat, GM crops, or PET bottles. There should be a way to package the message of a criminal organization.

Volker Weber, 2018-09-28

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